Thoughts on Embryos
I don’t often make politically-tinged statements on my blog, or in normal conversation, for that matter. Although I’m pretty smart and better-educated than most, I know that I’m not well-informed enough about many of today’s big issues to participate seriously in a political debate.
And that’s okay. The amount of misinformed, narrow-minded political twaddle in the world (and especially here on the interweb) disgusts me, and I’d rather not add to it.
That said, this article about scientists’ responses to ethically-based attacks on stem cell research got me thinking. Now, I may not know jack about war or diplomacy or the economy, but I think I’ve got a pretty good handle on stem cells (for a layperson, at least).
I was originally going to post a question that the article planted in my head, namely, “Why are the people who protest animal testing and the people who protest stem cell research rarely the same people?” But I think I’ve already answered that one to my satisfaction, aided by a rereading of the article.
The moral basis of the pro-animal claim is that it’s unethical to cause suffering in a living creature (or through inaction allow a living creature to suffer). This makes sense to me. I’m okay with animals as test subjects, but only if they’re treated humanely. We have laws regulating this, and scientific progress is allowed to continue.
The moral basis of the pro-embryo claim (correct me if i’m wrong) is that it’s unethical to kill a human, here defined, I believe, as an entity which is genetically human and which is complete (i.e., not just a leg, a tooth, or an unfertilized egg). This makes slightly less sense to me. I don’t know the particulars of the laws regulating this field at the moment (or proposed laws), but I get the feeling that they’re fairly restrictive.
I initially didn’t see why these causes were all that different, and why there would be so little overlap in their supporters. I support both humane animal research and humane stem cell research* for the same reason: they make good science without being unethical, in my opinion.
But I see now how they differ. Animal-rights people are all about preventing the suffering of animals, but embryo-rights people are all about…something else. It’s not about the suffering of the embryos per se, but about their potential human-ness. (Right?) I want to pin it all on religion, but I’m sure there are other reasons behind the pro-embryo position. I can’t think of any good ones right now, though—anyone care to enlighten me?
But ANYWAY, the point that I was really trying to get to was one made by the second commenter.
[Scientists] can point to the development of IVF which has created the “problem” of leftover embryos and yet has mostly escaped villification from the anti-abortion crowd (no doubt because it’s bad PR to deny a mother the chance of conceiving a child).
This is an interesting point, and one that I’ve never considered before. Why *don’t* the people who loudly oppose stem cell research also loudly oppose in-vitro fertilization? Or do they? Have I not been paying attention?
It seems logically inconsistent to attack the stem cell scientists without attacking the IVF doctors. The scientists don’t create embryos for the sole purpose of killing them in the process of their research, they merely use extra embryos left over from IVF that were never going to be allowed to develop in the first place. Without stem cell research, IVF would still be chugging along, creating and discarding hundreds of thousands of potential humans every year**.
Yet, as far as I know, there is no strong political/religious/ethical movement to outlaw or restrict IVF. Why not? Why don’t the anti-stem cell people add an anti-IVF plank to their platform? Or, why are those groups okay with IVF but ethically opposed to stem cell research?
I’m (mostly) not trying to poke fun here. I do want to know where the debate actually stands, and what the real issues are. Thoughts? Corrections?
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* By humane, I mean that nobody suffers unduly. The embryos themselves do not suffer, and the ones used in research were going to be killed anyway.
** This is a made-up number, but I think it’s order-of-magnitude correct. I’m sleepy right now and don’t want to bother looking it up. I’ll let you know if it turns out to be way off.
P.S. I personally think IVF is a Good Idea. I figure this should be obvious, but I’m just clarifying here in case you were reading too fast and think I’m nuts.
Tags: miscellany, religion
February 28th, 2006 at 3:40 am
It is my understanding that when IVF originally came out, many people were pretty much against the procedure because of moral and ethical concerns. After a while, people realized all the good things that could come from it, and settled down, and I imagine that the same thing will happen with stem cell research after it is used to find a cure for something. However, in the meantime, the going will be tough.
It turns out that the Roman Catholic Church is still quite opposed to IVF.
February 28th, 2006 at 11:52 am
Couple of comments here - I think one of the reasons for lack of overlap between animal rights folks and the anti-stem cell crowd is that each of those groups occupy opposite ends of the political spectrum (at least the most extreme members of each group), so I’m sure some of it can be simply viewed as the stem cell people (probably mostly GOP) saying ewww, Democrats, and the animal rights folks (maybe more likely Dems?) saying the same. Childish? Sure.
As for why anti-stem sell types can perhpas tolerate IFV is that IFV creates life [the uh, “leftovers” notwithstanding] and stem cell research necessarily destroys such life.
I’ll take a moment and be logically inconsistent. I’m prolife, and willing to support stem cell research. (yes, you can have you “whoa” moment.. .go ahead, enjoy) i take this position on purely pragmatic grounds - we need the scientific research and knowledge, and for that I say we should reach into the freezer and get out the aforementioned leftovers from the IVF procedures. This isn’t exactly fun for me, but I compare it to the US holding its nose while allying with Stalin; necessary to get the job done, and we were allowed to hate every moment of it. [or propping up, well, pick any central/south american country you choose, Iran under the Shah… the list is long - same logic].
But to confirm, yeah, it is the potential-ness of life argument that most anti-stem cell research folks use; same one that grounds the pro-life argument, or part of it, and yes, there is much religion involved. And i’m not surprised by what my church has to say about IVF - its quite unnatural.
March 1st, 2006 at 12:42 am
Thanks for the comments, guys.
So the future looks bright, but it’ll take its sweet time getting here. I hope I don’t contract a disease that stem cell research will find a cure for before the scientists are allowed to make that discovery.
And though I personally am pro-choice, I don’t think pro-life and pro-research positions are necessarily inconsistent with each other. Aborted embryos are different from unimplanted ones in that the aborted ones were (probably) not destined for such a swift death without intervention.