Comments on: Thoughts on Embryos http://prepoceros.com/2006/02/28/embryos-etc/ Horn o'plenty. A cornucopia, if you will. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:12:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Natalie http://prepoceros.com/2006/02/28/embryos-etc/#comment-146 Natalie Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:42:23 +0000 http://prepoceros.com/?p=141#comment-146 Thanks for the comments, guys. So the future looks bright, but it'll take its sweet time getting here. I hope I don't contract a disease that stem cell research will find a cure for before the scientists are allowed to make that discovery. And though I personally am pro-choice, I don't think pro-life and pro-research positions are necessarily inconsistent with each other. Aborted embryos are different from unimplanted ones in that the aborted ones were (probably) not destined for such a swift death without intervention. Thanks for the comments, guys.

So the future looks bright, but it’ll take its sweet time getting here. I hope I don’t contract a disease that stem cell research will find a cure for before the scientists are allowed to make that discovery.

And though I personally am pro-choice, I don’t think pro-life and pro-research positions are necessarily inconsistent with each other. Aborted embryos are different from unimplanted ones in that the aborted ones were (probably) not destined for such a swift death without intervention.

]]> By: Jay http://prepoceros.com/2006/02/28/embryos-etc/#comment-145 Jay Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:52:01 +0000 http://prepoceros.com/?p=141#comment-145 Couple of comments here - I think one of the reasons for lack of overlap between animal rights folks and the anti-stem cell crowd is that each of those groups occupy opposite ends of the political spectrum (at least the most extreme members of each group), so I'm sure some of it can be simply viewed as the stem cell people (probably mostly GOP) saying ewww, Democrats, and the animal rights folks (maybe more likely Dems?) saying the same. Childish? Sure. As for why anti-stem sell types can perhpas tolerate IFV is that IFV creates life [the uh, "leftovers" notwithstanding] and stem cell research necessarily destroys such life. I'll take a moment and be logically inconsistent. I'm prolife, and willing to support stem cell research. (yes, you can have you "whoa" moment.. .go ahead, enjoy) i take this position on purely pragmatic grounds - we need the scientific research and knowledge, and for that I say we should reach into the freezer and get out the aforementioned leftovers from the IVF procedures. This isn't exactly fun for me, but I compare it to the US holding its nose while allying with Stalin; necessary to get the job done, and we were allowed to hate every moment of it. [or propping up, well, pick any central/south american country you choose, Iran under the Shah... the list is long - same logic]. But to confirm, yeah, it is the potential-ness of life argument that most anti-stem cell research folks use; same one that grounds the pro-life argument, or part of it, and yes, there is much religion involved. And i'm not surprised by what my church has to say about IVF - its quite unnatural. Couple of comments here - I think one of the reasons for lack of overlap between animal rights folks and the anti-stem cell crowd is that each of those groups occupy opposite ends of the political spectrum (at least the most extreme members of each group), so I’m sure some of it can be simply viewed as the stem cell people (probably mostly GOP) saying ewww, Democrats, and the animal rights folks (maybe more likely Dems?) saying the same. Childish? Sure.
As for why anti-stem sell types can perhpas tolerate IFV is that IFV creates life [the uh, “leftovers” notwithstanding] and stem cell research necessarily destroys such life.
I’ll take a moment and be logically inconsistent. I’m prolife, and willing to support stem cell research. (yes, you can have you “whoa” moment.. .go ahead, enjoy) i take this position on purely pragmatic grounds - we need the scientific research and knowledge, and for that I say we should reach into the freezer and get out the aforementioned leftovers from the IVF procedures. This isn’t exactly fun for me, but I compare it to the US holding its nose while allying with Stalin; necessary to get the job done, and we were allowed to hate every moment of it. [or propping up, well, pick any central/south american country you choose, Iran under the Shah… the list is long - same logic].
But to confirm, yeah, it is the potential-ness of life argument that most anti-stem cell research folks use; same one that grounds the pro-life argument, or part of it, and yes, there is much religion involved. And i’m not surprised by what my church has to say about IVF - its quite unnatural.

]]> By: Alan http://prepoceros.com/2006/02/28/embryos-etc/#comment-144 Alan Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:40:58 +0000 http://prepoceros.com/?p=141#comment-144 It is my understanding that when IVF originally came out, many people were pretty much against the procedure because of moral and ethical concerns. After a while, people realized all the good things that could come from it, and settled down, and I imagine that the same thing will happen with stem cell research after it is used to find a cure for something. However, in the meantime, the going will be tough. It turns out that the Roman Catholic Church is still quite <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IVF#Religious_objections" rel="nofollow">opposed to IVF</a>. It is my understanding that when IVF originally came out, many people were pretty much against the procedure because of moral and ethical concerns. After a while, people realized all the good things that could come from it, and settled down, and I imagine that the same thing will happen with stem cell research after it is used to find a cure for something. However, in the meantime, the going will be tough.

It turns out that the Roman Catholic Church is still quite opposed to IVF.

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